A Response to My New Brothers and Sisters

My conversion story weighs in at 14,000 words, and this follow-up is another 5,000. The outpouring of response has been so great that I felt I owed some further answers to all these lovely well-wishers, who are, after all, now my brothers and sisters in the family of God.

Since I posted the essay, less than three weeks ago, there have been over 250 replies (still coming in), and that is only directly on the essay itself. There have been multiple popular threads on Twitter, in effect launched by Megan Basham, everyone welcoming the new brother to the family—and who knows how many on Facebook and other social networks. There have been a bunch of YouTube videos, each filled with well-wishers. I was asked to do a lot of interviews, include ones by Sean McDowell and Allie Beth Stuckey; still more are in the pipeline. There were news stories from The Gospel Coalition, World, CBN, Christian Post, Relevant Magazine, the Discovery Institute, and quite a few others (including many in foreign languages; see the links among the replies to the essay, including some very interesting blog responses, most interestingly by Bethel McGrew. Maybe the most unexpected thing is that at least two preachers mentioned my conversion in their sermons and blogs.

I’ve been frequently asked: Was I surprised at the response?

No—that’s not strong enough. I was nonplussed, shocked, in profound consternation for days. I was not planning on spending February dealing with the aftermath.

I had told a friend who read an earlier version, on January 27, “It’s going to be ignored.” He answered, “Perhaps not. We shall see.” To which I responded, “I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I’m right.” I thought so because the essay is very long, self-indulgent, and kind of geeky and philosophy-heavy. I thought only geeks would like it. But even my elderly mother liked it. (I am still tech support to her.) She told me that her prayers of many years had been answered.

For a while I just couldn’t understand why so many people would be interested. But people have explained, over and over: my story is familiar to them in many points, despite its quirks. Many told me (and everyone else) their stories, which were evidently heart-felt and quite varied. Over and over, some respondents told me that they too had wrestled with well-meaning skeptical doubts and basically gave up on Jesus, the Church, the Bible—the Christian faith—for years on end. And then they came back. In some cases, they joined the Lord’s family for the first time, despite life-long atheism. So many people said they appreciated what I thought would be, to them, boring little details.

They told me repeatedly that my story gave them great encouragement, so that they sent it to doubting friends and family members—for which I thank God. Will my work really help reconcile some of my fellow sinners with their loving creator? How wonderful. I suppose I hoped that, but I didn’t expect it. Sola Deo gloria. I guess the notion is that my story is effective as an explanation of how someone might come, through relatively “intellectual” means, to the faith. Well, I suppose it is that. I am just overjoyed to learn that this approach resonates as much as it apparently does today. Because, in that case, maybe I really can be of some use.

Anyway, I have not had time to answer to all the responses, certainly not individually. But I do owe at least a collective answer. I will begin with the topic most often commented on: my failure to attend church.

Post-conversion church-going

Many people read the section titled “Church?” carefully, and I feel I was unusually well understood by them. That in fact is something I feel enormously grateful and blessed by in this response: so many people now understood and sympathized with me on something that formerly was rather private and hidden from view. But, although the section did explain my reasons for not attending church (for now), it left some important things out.

I attended church a half-dozen times in 2020-22, at three different churches not very far from me. (I thought it was four, but I can’t locate the fourth.) Two were through-the-Bible teaching churches, and one was denominational. I enjoyed all the services, although my profound hearing loss posed difficulties catching everything that was said. In all three cases, the congregations were lovely, welcoming, but elderly. Though I was in my 50s, I was decidedly on the younger side. I found myself missing the traditional hymn-singing of my youth, with too much focus on newer songs. I also discovered that, although I liked close attention to Scripture, I was not that interested in mere exegesis. I actually did want more topical sermons. I mean explorations of doctrine centered around topics, focusing indeed on relevant Bible passages, but also inspiring the congregation to ever-greater sanctification. I had quite enough of Bible study throughout the week. For homilies, I greatly enjoy those of a certain Orthodox priest whose videos are constantly interspersed by “we must…we must…”. I find myself responding: yes, we must indeed. From a spiritual leader, I, at least, need moral inspiration. I just didn’t want it to be political, as it was in some cases, nor lightweight and driven by long personal anecdotes, as is very typical for most topical preaching. I have viewed many hours of local preachers, and these problems, more than any others are what keep me from attending.

But since 2023, I haven’t been to church. I explained in my essay why I decided to stay away. But I wasn’t clear enough about something. One of the biggest problems was, and is, not just that I might offend the pastor or congregation by moving churches; yes, that’s a concern, but I’m sure they’re used to that. Nor is the problem that I first want to be “doctrinally correct,” for no special reason. Rather, the problem is this. I worry that it would become news that I was attending a church of a certain denomination. What if people got excited about a long-time unbelieving co-founder of Wikipedia joining their denomination and church? I wish that wouldn’t matter, but I think it might. In that case, it could prove to be disheartening to them if I then left the denomination and proceeded to explain my theological reasons online. That could be deeply alienating, I think, to those who care about their doctrinal distinctives. I know I’m not that important, of course, but I would regret terribly if my departure undermined the pastor, even causing others to leave. I refuse to do that. As a student of the Bible and of theology, I want to support the men of God and the strength of the Church wholeheartedly. Before my essay came out, I saw some evidence that this might become an issue. And now, I suppose it would be even worse, because my story has been splashed across Christian news outlets for over a week. Do you see what I mean here?

In short, I have been writing and making videos about various theological issues. What if I end up publicly contradicting my new denominational home, when I could avoid that simply by prioritizing the questions that divide the denominations? I can’t guarantee that I would never change my mind, but at least I would avoid frivolous and early departures. When I have the time, between my day job and Bible study, I will prioritize answering the aforementioned divisive questions. Hopefully I will be able to narrow down the list (see the next section), confident that any future changes at least will not be frivolous and easily avoided.

In the meantime, I am conversing in very edifying ways on a daily basis with my now-active Bible study group. We have had to close it to new members—we got so many joiners, and I just don’t want to overwhelm the people already there. I know this is no substitute for church, but it’s part of the universal Church. So I hope it’ll do for a little longer, anyway. I’ll “get me to the church on time,” I reckon.

Denominations

Some respondents detected denominational tendencies in my essay, suggesting everything from Reformed Presbyterianism and Lutheranism to Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Others, not presuming to read my mind, nevertheless tried to press me into their denominations. I certainly appreciate the well-meaning advice here. But I can’t please everybody, that’s for sure.

Let me explain briefly, then, some (not all) of the things I like and dislike about various denominations. I don’t mean to alienate anyone or take sides as a partisan. I want my testimony to be a tool suitable for all denominations. So, in what follows, I am just explaining myself, since people talked so much about church-choosing. Maybe this will help people give me more focused advice.

I will not bore you with all my thoughts on denominations. I am being selective. But I worry that you will think the following is “reductive,” i.e., reducing complex traditions to a short list of items. These are merely illustrative high points and not at all complete analyses. Trust me, I know there is quite a bit more to say than I am sharing here.

First, I am sorry to disappoint my Catholic friends, but the chances of my ever becoming a follower of the Roman Catholic rite are vanishingly small. I disagree about the foundational matters of sola scriptura and sola fide (blog post forthcoming), to say nothing of the other solas. Its rigid and contrived defense of its doctrine by strained interpretations of Scripture and the early Church Fathers is frankly a source of irritation to me. Moreover, I think the Roman Magisterium, even on the rare occasions when it speaks ex cathedra, has been wrong about many things, such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary; hence, it does not speak infallibly when it claims to be doing so. I do not mean these remarks as a personal slight, but only an explanation of my position. (I don’t hate Mary! Honest!)

I find myself rather closer to conservative Orthodoxy, and I have enjoyed every minute interacting with and watching videos of Orthodox believers, including a priest I would count a friend. I admire the evidently deep commitment of Orthodox believers to holiness, and their warmth. What you read about in Dostoyevsky still seems to be found within this part of the Church. That said, having absorbed a careful and interesting book about how Orthodoxy is rooted in the “religion of the Apostles” and the first-century Church, I find myself decidedly unpersuaded that it is permitted to us, for example, to attempt to pray to dead saints; I know Orthodox believers deny that this is what Saul tried to do with Samuel, but I’m not sure I agree with them. I would have a hard time giving up sola scriptura, as Orthodoxy would expect me to. I might eventually come to differences over sola fide as well, but here I am less sure, due to the widespread confusion over the meaning of “faith” and Orthodoxy’s interesting understanding of what they call synergeia, or cooperation with grace.

Conservative Anglicanism (not terribly large in the U.S., but no matter) also seems like a strong possibility. As a relatively large-tent denomination, this might be a good home for me. I have learned quite a bit from Anglicans, maybe next most after Calvinists, but here I would be nervous about the influence of “Anglo-Catholicism,” including such things as praying to saints and undue adoration of Mary, as well as ongoing liberalization of the denomination, even within some dioceses of the ACNA.

I actually do rather like conservative Presbyterianism, except for the very thing that is perhaps most distinctive about it: the deterministic Calvinism stuff. I have no issues about signing onto a broadly correct confession, and I find I like what I know of the Westminster Confession quite a lot. Except TULIP—I’m pretty sure I disagree with every point in TULIP. Sorry, but I am not seeing these doctrines reflected in Scripture, and I see quite a bit of Scripture in considerable tension with them. I’ve also watched a lot of Leighton Flowers; what can I say? But I have not yet really carefully studied these issues. Could I change my mind? Conceivably. As a philosopher, though, I have relatively well-developed views about free will, and I’ve noticed an abundance of data in the Bible pointing to the essential importance of free will in theology. This is something arch-Calvinist John Frame himself more or less admits regarding compatibilist free will in his Systematic Theology.

Ditto, conservative Lutheranism: I like it quite a bit, except for the thing that is maybe the most distinctive thing about it among American Protestants, namely, sacramentalism. (This is the view that baptism and communion are “means of grace,” and required, for most believers, for salvation.) I would like to think that quibbles on this issue do not matter that much, as I said earlier; but I am apprised that Lutherans would disagree that they are quibbles. I know that they distinguish their view from Catholic sacramentalism, rejecting the idea of ex opere operato (grace imparted by the act alone). I do think the ordinances of baptism and communion can be nearly as strong as you like, even if I am breaking one of these, in that case, for now. But I am not convinced that they are required for salvation, according to Scripture. This is highly debatable; there are strong “proof texts” on both sides. (Have fun comparing John 3:5, Mark 16:16, and Acts 2:38 with Luke 23:43, Ephesians 2:8-9, and 1 Corinthians 1:17.1) I’m also chary about the “real presence” of the body and blood of Christ in the Lord’s Supper; I am inclined to think of these as deeply important symbols we use to remember his sacrifice for us.

I have some good associations with conservative Baptists. I am only slightly inclined toward believers’ baptism at this point, but the strong presence of “Free Will” Baptists in the overall movement and the stand on the “ordinance” view of baptism and communion seem to be decided points in their favor, for me now. But some Baptists, like it or not, have the reputation of being hostile to deep, probing questioning. Now, I know this does not apply to people at Baptist seminaries, many Baptist pastors, and some congregations. But some of the Baptist people in the pews wouldn’t take kindly to a character like me piping up too much; I’m not sure I’d be a good cultural fit in some Baptist congregations. But I am told the Baptist movement is very broad and deep. One other problem is the historical and, to a certain extent, continuing prevalence of dispensationalism. For now, insofar as I understand it, I take the classic and historical view that the Church will fulfill the promises made to Israel, which will indeed be fulfilled. The Gentiles have been grafted into the single tree, and we Christians are all, whether Gentile or Jew, subjects of the true Israel, which is one and the same as the Kingdom of God. Some Baptists broadly agree with this, yet Baptists still make up the single biggest denominational home of Christian Zionism, which seems opposed to this credo. This could present a challenge, but not at all Baptist congregations, which do vary.

The last really big denominational family is, broadly speaking, Methodist, and started by John Wesley. In the 19th century, the Wesleyan/Holiness movement branched off. Of this family, the largest branches are still called “Methodist.” While most of Methodism is quite liberal today, the broader family has conservative denominations in the form of the Wesleyan Church and the Church of the Nazarene, as well as the newly-launched Global Methodist Church. Methodism is ultimately an offshoot of Anglicanism and prioritizes sanctification much more than other Protestant movements—and in this regard, resembles Orthodoxy. My understanding is that conservatives have been fighting a losing battle against liberalizing tendencies within the branches started by Wesley for over a hundred years (though, in the beginning, it was quite orthodox in its doctrine). This apparently remains an issue even within the conservative branches as well, but again, there are exceptions, of course.

Other movements and smaller denominations have their own issues, in my eyes, at this point. I’ve considered Calvary Chapel, which seems about right on Calvinism vs. Arminianism, and on other issues; but the Baptist sort of tendency toward dispensationalism and some related views might ultimately put me at odds. The Church of Christ has an admirable program of wanting to return to the vision and standards of the very early Christian church. They also have a list of five things needed for salvation, which seems contrary to sola fide. I honestly never gave Pentecostal or charismatic denominations much consideration since I am neither a terribly emotional sort of person nor do I find a lot of convincing evidence of continuationism (but again, I am not very sure on this point). The Evangelical Free Church (with Scandinavian roots) seems like a good fit—it is explicitly “big-tent”—except that it has been reportedly moving in a decidedly liberal direction. As an Ohioan, I have a soft spot in my heart for the kindly and morally ambitious Mennonites. But I wonder about their commitment to hard theology; and I’m not about to give up technology; and believe it or not, there is a strong liberal and modernizing tendency in about half of this movement as well (perhaps an overreaction to their historical roots).

Again, this is not meant to be reductive; I remain sensitive to nuance, and torn.

My study program

(Skippable. You have been warned!)

Many people have recommended a wide variety of books, for which I am grateful. I am always looking for things to add to my list, or reasons to revise the priorities in my list. So, in case anyone really wanted to help in that regard, I thought I would share my study program, with the broad topics introduced in bold. Most of the following section is a wonkish sort of annotated bibliography.

Rather than discuss individual recommendations, I will describe my curriculum so far. I actually wrote about the very idea of theological self-study on, as it turns out, the last day of 2020, the year of my conversion. My aim was to study the sorts of things one learns in an M.Div. program, but on my own, at my own pace.

I wish I had more time to study, but there are only so many hours in a day, even if my days are busy. I tend to gravitate toward the classic, fundamental, and most influential—and the conservative or orthodox.

In 2022, I began taking long walks during which I “talked with God.” On the trip to and from these walks, and whenever else I am out driving by myself, I nearly always listen to theology. I use the Apple Siri “read text on page” when there is no audiobook available; it’s imperfect, but it works. It turns out that you can go through a lot of theology this way, if you do it day in, day out, for around five years. And maybe I take extra-long trips through the pretty Ohio countryside.

I almost never use these driving trips to do my daily Bible reading—that’s too important. I’m now wrapping up a fifth Bible reading. Beginning with the second time, I have almost always read the assignment twice per day, which has allowed me to get quite familiar with several different translations, including KJV, NKJV, NASB, and NIV, among others (including much of the “Easy-to-Read Version” when I went through the whole thing with my sons, as I did). I have always consulted secondary sources. The last two years I have gone through about 90% of the notes of the ESV Study Bible (this is hard work). In the past, I have used a variety of other commentaries, either on the Life Bible app or using BibleHub.com (or its identical app); my favorites there include, especially, Gill and Ellicott. Yes, these are all conservative and many older sources—you know, people who actually believe the Bible.

I have also studied some of what is called Bible introduction. Beginning in 2020 and repeated once or twice more after that, I went through basically all of the Bible Project videos. These I can recommend, and although the authors are a little unorthodox in some of their theology, they take efforts to be acceptable to a wide range of theological views. By this April, I will have gone through the entire, deeply inspirational David Pawson lecture series, Unlocking the Bible; I started listening to selected Pawson lectures in 2020, too. In more advanced introduction, I listened to Gundry’s Survey of the New Testament lectures. Then I tried to get into Carson and Moo’s very advanced Introduction to the New Testament, but decided it was above my level (at the time?), and opted for Tenney’s New Testament Survey. I will be finished with Daniel B. Wallace’s free, online, and academic New Testament: Introductions and Outlines this April. When it comes to Old Testament introduction, I have been much less diligent. My main exposure has been from the Bible Project and Pawson and reading brief introductions in Bibles. I started but need to finish Archer’s excellent Survey of Old Testament Introduction. I’ll be filling in this gap in this year, though.

As to commentaries, I have never gone through an entire commentary except on Genesis, on which I read all of Matthew Henry, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, The Bible Knowledge Commentary, and Josephus. I also read Swindoll’s studies of Abraham and Joseph. This was all part of a special study of Genesis. On an adviser’s recommendation, I also dove into related Biblical texts and archaeology, reading the relevant parts of Arnold and Beyer’s Readings from the Ancient Near East, Matthews and Benjamin’s Old Testament Parallels: Laws and Stories from the Ancient Near East, Kennedy’s Unearthing the Bible: 101 Archaeological Discoveries, and Provan et al.‘s Biblical History of Israel.

I wrote a lot of questions and answers about Genesis, and for each chapter consulted the corresponding commentaries, and sometimes others as well. This was my first exposure to really in-depth exegesis. I also gave the same treatment to Matthew 1-3, using the same resources (except Josephus, of course; but now adding ChatGPT’s feedback on my answers, and Ryle’s whole introductory Expository Thoughts on Matthew). All this exegetical work, which is extremely interesting to me, tapered off and ended because my answers were getting too long and I just had less and less time to spend.

In systematic theology, I’ve read all of Frame’s History of Western Philosophy and Theology, which is a bit misnamed as it views philosophy through a theological lens. It was interesting to see how a theologian treats philosophy. Then I went through the same author’s Systematic Theology, complete. It took a long time; it was worth it. It confirmed that I like Reformed theology, generally speaking, except, ironically, for the TULIP part (which is essential to Reformed Calvinism). I also read many chapters of Grudem’s Systematic Theology. I am now about two-thirds of the way through Allison’s excellent Historical Theology. Next time around, I will, of course, turn to another theological tradition.

In specialized theological topics, I read de Young’s Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century; the McNall lecture series, The Mosaic of Atonement; and I would put Packer’s modern classic Knowing God here. Maybe some others. Early on (2021?), I read Montgomery’s The Theologian’s Craft, but doubt I properly appreciated it at the time; it is short so I must re-read it.

As to church history, I went through Shaw’s Christianity: The Biography: 2000 Years of Global History. I’m pretty sure I went through a lecture course at The Great Courses. I also read a fair few classics, including the Apostolic Fathers (twice), Eusebius’ Church History, Augustine’s Confessions, and bits and pieces of other ante-Nicene Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. I am now listening through the City of God.

Another strong interest of mine is apologetics, philosophy of religion, and philosophical theology. I began by listening to Lewis’ classic Mere Christianity again. I say I listened to Lewis “again”: it seems I first bought and listened to it in 2011, but obviously it didn’t take. Then came Strobel’s The Case for Christ twice; it was so good. I read Anthony Flew’s There Is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind. This was interesting but ultimately disappointing, since he died a mere deist. I reminded myself of the content of a philosophy of religion course by listening through the solid Great Courses lectures by James Hall; it was all quite familiar, like riding a bicycle, but still useful. I got some basic introduction to the theology of miracles from books by Lewis and Metaxas, but need to do something more serious reading there. I wanted an intro to the debate over “creationism” and “intelligent design,” so I ended up reading Dembski’s Understanding Intelligent Design and then Behe’s Darwin’s Black Box, as well as half of Dawkins’ The Blind Watchmaker. I was surprised both at how plausible Dembski and Behe were, and at Dawkins’ utter failure to engage with their sorts of arguments. The latter in particular was a little weird to discover. I read Kierkegaard’s Fear and Trembling, because I had never done that before. Later, I—”heroically”, I suppose, that’s what it felt like—attempted to listen to Craig and Moreland’s mammoth and advanced Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology. I got almost halfway through but had to stop and put it off until I had time to slow down and read the words on the page; just listening, I couldn’t keep up with all the symbols and abbreviations. Then I picked up Craig’s Reasonable Faith, which was much more tractable for listening. I also read Davis’ excellent Introduction to Christian Philosophical Theology, a chapter of which inspired this essay.

A basic feature of any M.Div. program is hermeneutics, the theory of biblical interpretation. I found this extremely interesting. I started with Sproul’s Knowing Scripture, which is a good place to start, indeed. I then did Klein et al.‘s lecture series, Introduction to Biblical Interpretation. After that, on advice, I struggled through Carson’s Exegetical Fallacies, and most recently read Chou’s remarkably good Hermeneutics of the Bible Writers. This really opened my eyes to the beauties of intertextuality, something that anybody who has looked at enough Bible cross-references has noticed, but rarely with such consistent and inspiring profundity.

I have read parts of other works, and consulted reference works I won’t mention; I’m mostly just listing the ones I finished. I have also read 5 or 10 Christian novels. I love Pilgrim’s Progress, which I have read three times, and Dostoyevky’s Brothers Karamazov, among others.

As to my book in progress, I will add only that it is a steady discipline of mine now. I have done a little other background reading for the book, but mostly, the writing is informed by the above study and the knowledge I had gleaned before that. It is obvious to me that I need to do more focused background reading and library research before publishing the book. I appreciate all the encouragement I have received about the book, but I will not publish it until it’s in the shape I want it to be in.

As you can see, I’ve been busy reading many things, so I’m always happy to get more book and author recommendations. My self-assigned task thus far has been simply getting up to speed on basic Bible interpretation, theology, and exegetical skills. I won’t be stopping anytime soon.

Has my conversion been merely intellectual?

Another concern, always kindly expressed, is that, after all my cogitation and study, perhaps I still have no faith. Perhaps, some people suggested, I need to spend more time on more purely spiritual matters. I want to reassure these people.

First, I should admit, and I know this is important to many regular church-goers, that I have been missing all the spiritual benefits of attending church. I have mostly avoided not just face-to-face fellowship, but also corporate worship and singing; and I know the sacramentalists (and others, too) would say I am missing something deeply essential by not partaking of the Lord’s Supper. I hope this will change sooner rather than later.

This, however, is not the main thing that respondents were concerned about. They were especially worried that I might not have a keen faith, or even that, perhaps, I did not truly accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. But let me assure you that I truly do. Let me illustrate.

One of my disciplines is to attempt to pray seven times per day. The first, as I get ready for the day, is always the Lord’s Prayer. I often forget to do all seven prayers; maybe someone has an idea of how to maintain this discipline more consistently. But Paul wrote that we should “pray without ceasing,” and this is how I do my best to follow this injunction. I attempt to imagine what the Lord might say to me, in my daily circumstances, and I try to remember what the Bible says on related issues.

I cannot adequately express how useful it is to be increasingly familiar with the Bible for this purpose. The more we read, understand, and apply the Bible, the more vivid our notion of the character of God becomes. Those non-believers who maintain that the God of the Old Testament is some sort of brutal tyrant are merely revealing their own ignorance. If they made a better attempt to read and understand the text as its recipients understood it, they could not maintain their attitude. The better I know God, the better I understand why he is truly called sovereign, merciful, and loving.

The point is that in “my Christian walk,” as the phrase has it, I am intensely aware of God in my life. I regularly thank and praise him; I confess sins and repent of them; and I ask things of him for myself and for others. I also listen—having absorbed what I have of Scripture—for his answers. What it means to be Christian, perhaps most essentially, is to accept in a deep way that he is our Lord and Master. I certainly do accept that. In fact, despite my long history of methodological skepticism, I have not seriously doubted it since my conversion. For me, this is never a matter of mere intellectual assent; it is, rather, firm loyalty to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Footnotes

  1. Jesus said, “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5), and again, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16). When Peter preached at Pentecost, he declared, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38).

    Yet Jesus also said to the thief on the cross, “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43), though the man was neither baptized nor able to do any works. Paul wrote, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9), and again, “Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel” (1 Corinthians 1:17).[]


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69 responses to “A Response to My New Brothers and Sisters”

  1. Roy

    As a former unbeliever myself, I found your conversion story thought provoking and interesting.

    I won’t share mine since it is too long and I don’t have clear what factors influenced me. Moreover, I suppose different factors influence different people.

    What I found “common” among committed atheists, however, is a kind of arrogance or intellectual pride which, not always at least, corresponded to their actual intellectual merits or to the quality of their argumentation.

    For example, Richard Dawkins certainly is a brilliant man and gifted writer. I’ve learnt a lot of Darwinism and science from his popular books.

    But this smart man is ready to defend completely worthless arguments like his “Who designed the designer?” objection, which he considers devastating for theism and many intellectually arrogant atheists buy it without realizing the poverty of such an objection.

    Critics have pointed out the flaws of Dawkins’s objection from the beginning. For example, William Lane Craig provided one of the best refutations of Dawkins’s objection here:

    https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/question-answer/richard-dawkins-argument-for-atheism-in-the-god-delusion

    No intelligent person would believe that Dawkins’s atheism is “really” based upon such a silly objection. That many atheists consider it a powerful argument says one thing or two about the actual intellectual level of these atheists.

    All their arrogance and intellectual pride, their sermons on science, critical thinking and “rationality”, are sheer smoke and posturing.

    Changing a bit the issue, in a recent Facebook post, philosopher Lydia McGrew shared these thoughts about recent converts to Christianity (which perhaps readers of this page will find helpful):

    Something I want to tell those who have newly converted or reconverted to Christianity: Don’t set yourself up as a dragonslayer when you haven’t had time to study evidences. Not everybody is called to go out there and debate Christianity online or produce Youtube content (and then debate all comers in the comboxes).

    In our Internet-addicted age, everybody is a “content creator.” This isn’t a good thing. You shouldn’t be thinking of your own life primarily in terms of source material for making videos, and this is especially true of a conversion.

    I yield to no one in my advocacy of evidential Christianity. But it hardly follows that every convert should instanteously become an online apologist! Not only are there differing gifts in the Body of Christ. There is also a need for time, thought, becoming a member or at least very regular attender at a good church, growing in Christ, etc., in order to be stable intellectually and emotionally in one’s faith.

    “Be ready always to give an answer” doesn’t mean scurrying around and finding atheists to debate online. In fact, debating atheists online is often a waste of time for anybody, even a well-informed, seasoned evidentialist Christian. But what’s even worse is when a relatively new Christian treats it as some kind of test that he has to face and that Christianity itself has to face. If he then finds that he doesn’t have all the answers in his pocket to produce immediately to every objection, this is personally embarrassing and can lead to the wrong conclusion that the evidence doesn’t really support Christianity.

  2. Alain

    I think you should attend a church. Being around other Christians has its utility, and I’m not sure I can put it in words what that is, but it is there. Perhaps it is similar to a person who just reads his university work without going to class or seeing other students verses someone who sees the professor

    HOWEVER I also respect that you are something of a ‘famous person’ so people in this church or that one would want to claim you – anyone watching the discussion around Jordan Peterson can recognize this.

    I also don’t see someone with your disposition being settled in anywhere outside of Protestantism. Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy all come with an assent to authority that you’ve expressed is fundamentally contrary to how you function. It would be like asking a drill to hammer a nail. Your methodological skepticism implies a desire for private judgement.

  3. Joseph

    I think many intelligent and open-minded are progressively realizing that the case for atheism lacks intellectual muscle and substance.

    The evidence clearly tends to favor Christianity.

    For example, the number 1 podcaster in USA, atheist Joe Rogan, is now attending Church regurlarly:

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/joe-rogan-is-attending-church-consistently-wes-huff-says.html

    It is not clear what is Rogan’s current position, but his attending Church suggests he is open to Christianity.

    If he becomes familiar with solid philosophical and scientific material for the Christian worldview, it is likely that he will convert to the Christian faith.

    The point is that many atheists and agnostics, provided they are exposed to the best material for the Christian worldview, are likely to reconsider their unbelief and open their hearts to Christ in the light of the scientific and historical evidence for God and Jesus.

    Your conversion story and forthcoming book, Larry, surely will prove helpful in this process of making The Light better known among reasonable, open-minded skeptics.

  4. Michael S.

    Just a quick note. Regarding your concerns over free will vis-a-vis Calvinism aka Reformed theology, this paper “Free Will, Moral Responsibility, and Reformed Theology” by the philosopher Paul Manata is a bit dated now but it might still be of some interest and use:

    https://analytictheologye4c5.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/free-will-and-moral-responsibility-intro11.pdf

    1. Looks interesting, thanks.

      1. Michael S.

        Thanks again for your very fine post, Dr. Sanger! 🙂 It was informative, heart warming, and chock full of solid book recommendations – and I always love a good book recommendation or many! – even for a long-time Christian like myself. And I trust it helped allay the fears and concerns you brought up.

        By the way, regarding miracles, there is a good article on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy aptly titled “Miracles” that would be better than Eric Metaxas and even better than C. S. Lewis, though in some (far from all) respects it stands on Lewis’s shoulders too. It’s written by the (conservative Anglican) Christian philosopher Timothy McGrew. You may already know Tim is Bethel McGrew’s father and also husband to Lydia McGrew, who is also another excellent philosopher, though her doctoral and previous training and education are in English literature if I recall correctly. There are many more useful books on the topic in the bibliography if you wish to dig even deeper.

        1. I am (very casually) acquainted with father and daughter but I didn’t know Tim wrote the entry on that topic. I’ll have to check it out. Thanks!

  5. Robert

    To the lovely Dr. Sanger, it has been rather wonderful reading the posts on your journey. May God continue to give you wisdom and discernment and answers to what you honestly seek with a humble heart. I very much appreciate the honesty in which you have told your story and your response to the reactiond to it, and I was perhaps pleasantly surprised to find that a lot of it resonates with me. It is never a bad thing to seek and to search for God’s truth, like the Bereans in Acts 17:11. God works in our weakness to reveal Himself to us in the ways we understand. I also think it is very kind and considerate of you to be wary of other people and not do anything that might weaken their faith in Christ. It’s very refreshing to see that type of care.

    I will only state my background because I believe it to be relevant to the points I would like to pose: I am nowhere near as educated or as well-read or as skilled in logic or as experienced in life as you are. I am a final year medical student (not terribly relevant) and a lifelong Christian in the Coptic Orthodox Church (the ancient apostolic church of Alexandria/Egypt founded by St. Mark the Gospel Writer). We are not Catholic, and we have nothing to do with Catholicism. Any similarities are due to our shared history of early church teachings (this will be relevant in a second). We are much much closer to our Eastern Orthodox brethren and have shared confirmations of faith from the 20th century. Although I am not nearly as educated as you are and cannot claim to know what you think, I simply ask that you not pre-emptively dismiss what I would like to say. Please give this – as you said – a “fair shake”, even if you have come across this line of reasoning before. I also ask that you contend with smarter/more learned/holier people than I (e.g. the church fathers or actual theologians) on the finer points of these things because I doubt I can answer any satisfactorily to your standards:

    As someone from an apostolic church I often feel that people from protestant/western backgrounds seem to sometimes (unintentionally) gloss over things which we as Orthodox Christians, (and especially Copts, since we have historically suffered martyrdom over the past 2 millennia for our faith more than any other church, even up to present time e.g. 21 martyrs of Libya) have ingrained into us from a very young age, because we are prepared from a young age to not deny our faith and to literally die for Christ instead of denying Him. It is very conceivable that you have already considered this since you mention the church fathers, but I offer this proposition: If Jesus is truly God, and he hand-picked these apostles which he sent out into the world, and sent the Holy Spirit to them, and tasked them with saving souls through him and spreading His teachings and establishing the early church that they established (which even in the Bible has a clear hierarchy, regardless of what the finer points of that hierarchy are), which offered up MANY many martyrs because they believed in their God so strongly that they counted their lives as worthless to be with Him, is it not our responsibility towards God to see and know and practice what these people, these “closest to the action” if you will, those with real fruits of their faith, believed in? The faith He gave them? These same people that put together the (at least New Testament) canon that is now used for “sola scriptura”: do we pick and choose this canon, call it God-inspired, and then dismiss everything else these fathers and defenders of the faith said and did? I really don’t mean to be glib, I truly don’t, because I know this is unintentional, but sometimes it really feels like this idea isn’t understood enough: Christianity didn’t start in New York, and it didn’t start in Europe. It didn’t start with Zwingli or Luther or the Vatican councils. Why are we not asking what did the people in the Middle East whom Christ first taught believe? What did they end up reasoning and agreeing about the faith by consensus under guidance of the Holy Spirit (which is not unbiblical – see the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15)? And what did their ‘sons and daughters’ believe? What did the people who would rather die than “innovate” in their faith believe? What faith have they painstakingly preserved for millenia with blood? And forgive me, I mean no disrespect, but surely we as men who believe in God cannot possibly believe that the Holy Spirit was incapable of preserving the correct faith for 1500 years? That people misunderstood it for so long? Did Jesus – once again, forgive me – die in vain? Did He become Incarnate and labor on earth for 3 years and then die a humiliating and excruciating death out of His love for humanity just for his apostles to completely misunderstand and misrepresent him and spread false teachings? The first centuries of the early church DID very strongly believe in sacraments which are required for our salvation. Historically, Baptism and the Eucharist are not simply symbols. There is absolutely no way to look at early centuries’ church writings and conclude they are symbols. We cannot read what we want to believe or what is convenient to believe into what God has given us. He gave us these sacraments, and we have preserved the faith He has given us.

    My second point is – you are not the first person from a Protestant background to be wary of saints and of St. Mary. It is a completely natural and even good-intentioned response to saints within protestant theology. But truly – God is the God of the living and not the dead. We pray with saints, not to them. They are our older brothers and sisters which have faithfully finished the race and fought the good fight and we ask them to pray with us to our shared Father. The early church did not mind this. It is unfair to conclude from the passage about Saul and Samuel that intercession is not okay with God. Saul sought a medium to communicate with spirits (through satanic means – not through a contrite heart and supplication to God) because God wasn’t responding to him by the methods which God allowed. He was intentionally trying to subvert God’s will through a method explicitly designated as wicked for his own personal gain. There was zero holiness or faith in that exchange. God permitted Saul to see Samuel to proclaim his wickedness – the medium had zero control over this man of God. Important to also note that she was frightened during this exchange – what happened was out of the ordinary for her. Very unfair to compare these two. How are we “surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:1) if the saints don’t see, hear, or care about us? (That needs to be read within the context of the previous chapter.)

    Lastly, miracles. In your conversion journey you hinted at how God hasn’t really shown Himself since Jesus because the current mission of spreading the Gospel is ongoing. I don’t entirely understand what you mean by this, but if you mean there aren’t obvious grand miracles like in the apostolic era, I would like to point you to the thousands of very verifiable, grand miracles that still occur today in Orthodox churches. The apparition of St Mary over her church in Zeitoun from 1968-1970 is maybe the most in-your-face one. Millions saw her, God healed many there, and there was a systematic attempt to disprove it by Egypt’s Muslim government. Even they admitted it was miraculous. Pope Cyril VI was famously a man of miracles (not in any way by His own power, but God’s). Pretty much every Coptic family (including my own) knows firsthand of miracles that have happened to them through very obvious, unambiguous divine intervention. All these miracles bore the fruit of bringing people to Christ. They still occur often only because God knows our weakness and still likes to show us that He loves us and will intervene for us. We understand that they still need to be discerned to find out if they are God’s or not, since the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light (and he often did to the desert fathers). We understand that signs and wonders are for strengthening the weak, and that they are out of the ordinary displays of love by God. We do not in any way, shape or form base our faith on them.

    Finally, I would just like to say that I am very happy for you. God is your Father and he loves you very much and I hope you keep seeking, asking, knocking. It is very regrettable that you were discouraged from asking the hard questions about God. May God help you always and you will be in my prayers.

    1. Sean Trimm

      As a relatively recent convert to Catholicism, I could not agree more with your comment!

      Thank you for saying most of what I wanted to to Dr. Sanger. The only point I would add, with emphasis, is that what we know as Sacred Scripture was in large part not in existence in a single canon until the late 300s, early 400s. The guiding light within the Church for the century after Jesus Christ Ascended was Tradition, the teaching Paul mentions many times handing on to others. This clearly makes Sola Scriptura untenable. Sacred Scripture is the authoritative Word of God but it is not the only source of authority within the Church; it could not be when the Church preceded it’s widespread publication.

      Surely what Justin Martyr called the Memoirs of the Apostles were read widely by the middle of the second century in worship, as well as Paul’s Epistles. However what sustained the Church 100 years before was the preaching of the Apostles, much of which is reflected in the extra biblical writing of the first several bishops of Rome, Antioch and Smyrna. This cannot be overstated and should not be ignored when weighing the merits of doctrines or disciplines Orthodoxy and / or Catholicism adhere to today.

      Congratulations on your conversion Dr. Sanger and many thanks for sharing your story.

      God Bless

  6. Dave Muntsinger

    Larry, your reading list has been excellent. I commend you. My Theology degree focused on Historical Theology so here some recommendations: Augustine’s Confessions, Luther’s preface to Galatians and his introduction to Erasmus in Bondage of the Will. Jonathan Edwards sermon from 1732 “God glorified in Man’s dependence, and Charity and its fruits. John Owen’s 83 pages on Romans 8:13 ‘The Mortification of Sin’. And something recent, The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard. Lastly, read the devotional from 1483 by Thomas A Kempis “The Imitation of Christ”. Here’s to reading the greatest thoughts since Paul.

  7. Brian Murphy

    Dear Larry, I’m happy to read your conversion story and thorough study of the One True Faith. I won’t go into arguments or apologetics, but I would suggest that a great problem in modern scepticism is its wholesale deference to the philosophical predispositions of the so-called “enlightenment,” assumptions that masquerade as science but which are, in fact, metaphysical claims. To that end, I would recommend reading by Professor Wolfgang Smith (d. 2024)—mathematician, physicist, and philosopher—specifically his works, “Science & Myth” where he lays out the case that modern man has adopted a “weltanschauung” that is decidedly based on counter- or anti-myths (true myth being “the closest approach to absolute truth” (a quote by Ananda Coomaraswamy)(Chapter 7 is a response to Stephen Hawking’s “The Grand Design”); “The Quantum Enigma—Finding the Hidden Key” (in which he outlines a Thomistic resolution to the aforesaid enigma); and “Cosmos and Transcendence,” where he debunks the many scientistic myths that plague modern man, including Freud and Jung. You can also find many of his articles here “https://philos-sophia.org/” (I highly recommend his article titled, “Gnosticism Today.” May God bless your endeavor to find Truth. A wise woman once said that the longest journey of faith is from the head to the heart.

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