A Response to My New Brothers and Sisters

My conversion story weighs in at 14,000 words, and this follow-up is another 5,000. The outpouring of response has been so great that I felt I owed some further answers to all these lovely well-wishers, who are, after all, now my brothers and sisters in the family of God.

Since I posted the essay, less than three weeks ago, there have been over 250 replies (still coming in), and that is only directly on the essay itself. There have been multiple popular threads on Twitter, in effect launched by Megan Basham, everyone welcoming the new brother to the family—and who knows how many on Facebook and other social networks. There have been a bunch of YouTube videos, each filled with well-wishers. I was asked to do a lot of interviews, include ones by Sean McDowell and Allie Beth Stuckey; still more are in the pipeline. There were news stories from The Gospel Coalition, World, CBN, Christian Post, Relevant Magazine, the Discovery Institute, and quite a few others (including many in foreign languages; see the links among the replies to the essay, including some very interesting blog responses, most interestingly by Bethel McGrew. Maybe the most unexpected thing is that at least two preachers mentioned my conversion in their sermons and blogs.

I’ve been frequently asked: Was I surprised at the response?

No—that’s not strong enough. I was nonplussed, shocked, in profound consternation for days. I was not planning on spending February dealing with the aftermath.

I had told a friend who read an earlier version, on January 27, “It’s going to be ignored.” He answered, “Perhaps not. We shall see.” To which I responded, “I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I’m right.” I thought so because the essay is very long, self-indulgent, and kind of geeky and philosophy-heavy. I thought only geeks would like it. But even my elderly mother liked it. (I am still tech support to her.) She told me that her prayers of many years had been answered.

For a while I just couldn’t understand why so many people would be interested. But people have explained, over and over: my story is familiar to them in many points, despite its quirks. Many told me (and everyone else) their stories, which were evidently heart-felt and quite varied. Over and over, some respondents told me that they too had wrestled with well-meaning skeptical doubts and basically gave up on Jesus, the Church, the Bible—the Christian faith—for years on end. And then they came back. In some cases, they joined the Lord’s family for the first time, despite life-long atheism. So many people said they appreciated what I thought would be, to them, boring little details.

They told me repeatedly that my story gave them great encouragement, so that they sent it to doubting friends and family members—for which I thank God. Will my work really help reconcile some of my fellow sinners with their loving creator? How wonderful. I suppose I hoped that, but I didn’t expect it. Sola Deo gloria. I guess the notion is that my story is effective as an explanation of how someone might come, through relatively “intellectual” means, to the faith. Well, I suppose it is that. I am just overjoyed to learn that this approach resonates as much as it apparently does today. Because, in that case, maybe I really can be of some use.

Anyway, I have not had time to answer to all the responses, certainly not individually. But I do owe at least a collective answer. I will begin with the topic most often commented on: my failure to attend church.

Post-conversion church-going

Many people read the section titled “Church?” carefully, and I feel I was unusually well understood by them. That in fact is something I feel enormously grateful and blessed by in this response: so many people now understood and sympathized with me on something that formerly was rather private and hidden from view. But, although the section did explain my reasons for not attending church (for now), it left some important things out.

I attended church a half-dozen times in 2020-22, at three different churches not very far from me. (I thought it was four, but I can’t locate the fourth.) Two were through-the-Bible teaching churches, and one was denominational. I enjoyed all the services, although my profound hearing loss posed difficulties catching everything that was said. In all three cases, the congregations were lovely, welcoming, but elderly. Though I was in my 50s, I was decidedly on the younger side. I found myself missing the traditional hymn-singing of my youth, with too much focus on newer songs. I also discovered that, although I liked close attention to Scripture, I was not that interested in mere exegesis. I actually did want more topical sermons. I mean explorations of doctrine centered around topics, focusing indeed on relevant Bible passages, but also inspiring the congregation to ever-greater sanctification. I had quite enough of Bible study throughout the week. For homilies, I greatly enjoy those of a certain Orthodox priest whose videos are constantly interspersed by “we must…we must…”. I find myself responding: yes, we must indeed. From a spiritual leader, I, at least, need moral inspiration. I just didn’t want it to be political, as it was in some cases, nor lightweight and driven by long personal anecdotes, as is very typical for most topical preaching. I have viewed many hours of local preachers, and these problems, more than any others are what keep me from attending.

But since 2023, I haven’t been to church. I explained in my essay why I decided to stay away. But I wasn’t clear enough about something. One of the biggest problems was, and is, not just that I might offend the pastor or congregation by moving churches; yes, that’s a concern, but I’m sure they’re used to that. Nor is the problem that I first want to be “doctrinally correct,” for no special reason. Rather, the problem is this. I worry that it would become news that I was attending a church of a certain denomination. What if people got excited about a long-time unbelieving co-founder of Wikipedia joining their denomination and church? I wish that wouldn’t matter, but I think it might. In that case, it could prove to be disheartening to them if I then left the denomination and proceeded to explain my theological reasons online. That could be deeply alienating, I think, to those who care about their doctrinal distinctives. I know I’m not that important, of course, but I would regret terribly if my departure undermined the pastor, even causing others to leave. I refuse to do that. As a student of the Bible and of theology, I want to support the men of God and the strength of the Church wholeheartedly. Before my essay came out, I saw some evidence that this might become an issue. And now, I suppose it would be even worse, because my story has been splashed across Christian news outlets for over a week. Do you see what I mean here?

In short, I have been writing and making videos about various theological issues. What if I end up publicly contradicting my new denominational home, when I could avoid that simply by prioritizing the questions that divide the denominations? I can’t guarantee that I would never change my mind, but at least I would avoid frivolous and early departures. When I have the time, between my day job and Bible study, I will prioritize answering the aforementioned divisive questions. Hopefully I will be able to narrow down the list (see the next section), confident that any future changes at least will not be frivolous and easily avoided.

In the meantime, I am conversing in very edifying ways on a daily basis with my now-active Bible study group. We have had to close it to new members—we got so many joiners, and I just don’t want to overwhelm the people already there. I know this is no substitute for church, but it’s part of the universal Church. So I hope it’ll do for a little longer, anyway. I’ll “get me to the church on time,” I reckon.

Denominations

Some respondents detected denominational tendencies in my essay, suggesting everything from Reformed Presbyterianism and Lutheranism to Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Others, not presuming to read my mind, nevertheless tried to press me into their denominations. I certainly appreciate the well-meaning advice here. But I can’t please everybody, that’s for sure.

Let me explain briefly, then, some (not all) of the things I like and dislike about various denominations. I don’t mean to alienate anyone or take sides as a partisan. I want my testimony to be a tool suitable for all denominations. So, in what follows, I am just explaining myself, since people talked so much about church-choosing. Maybe this will help people give me more focused advice.

I will not bore you with all my thoughts on denominations. I am being selective. But I worry that you will think the following is “reductive,” i.e., reducing complex traditions to a short list of items. These are merely illustrative high points and not at all complete analyses. Trust me, I know there is quite a bit more to say than I am sharing here.

First, I am sorry to disappoint my Catholic friends, but the chances of my ever becoming a follower of the Roman Catholic rite are vanishingly small. I disagree about the foundational matters of sola scriptura and sola fide (blog post forthcoming), to say nothing of the other solas. Its rigid and contrived defense of its doctrine by strained interpretations of Scripture and the early Church Fathers is frankly a source of irritation to me. Moreover, I think the Roman Magisterium, even on the rare occasions when it speaks ex cathedra, has been wrong about many things, such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary; hence, it does not speak infallibly when it claims to be doing so. I do not mean these remarks as a personal slight, but only an explanation of my position. (I don’t hate Mary! Honest!)

I find myself rather closer to conservative Orthodoxy, and I have enjoyed every minute interacting with and watching videos of Orthodox believers, including a priest I would count a friend. I admire the evidently deep commitment of Orthodox believers to holiness, and their warmth. What you read about in Dostoyevsky still seems to be found within this part of the Church. That said, having absorbed a careful and interesting book about how Orthodoxy is rooted in the “religion of the Apostles” and the first-century Church, I find myself decidedly unpersuaded that it is permitted to us, for example, to attempt to pray to dead saints; I know Orthodox believers deny that this is what Saul tried to do with Samuel, but I’m not sure I agree with them. I would have a hard time giving up sola scriptura, as Orthodoxy would expect me to. I might eventually come to differences over sola fide as well, but here I am less sure, due to the widespread confusion over the meaning of “faith” and Orthodoxy’s interesting understanding of what they call synergeia, or cooperation with grace.

Conservative Anglicanism (not terribly large in the U.S., but no matter) also seems like a strong possibility. As a relatively large-tent denomination, this might be a good home for me. I have learned quite a bit from Anglicans, maybe next most after Calvinists, but here I would be nervous about the influence of “Anglo-Catholicism,” including such things as praying to saints and undue adoration of Mary, as well as ongoing liberalization of the denomination, even within some dioceses of the ACNA.

I actually do rather like conservative Presbyterianism, except for the very thing that is perhaps most distinctive about it: the deterministic Calvinism stuff. I have no issues about signing onto a broadly correct confession, and I find I like what I know of the Westminster Confession quite a lot. Except TULIP—I’m pretty sure I disagree with every point in TULIP. Sorry, but I am not seeing these doctrines reflected in Scripture, and I see quite a bit of Scripture in considerable tension with them. I’ve also watched a lot of Leighton Flowers; what can I say? But I have not yet really carefully studied these issues. Could I change my mind? Conceivably. As a philosopher, though, I have relatively well-developed views about free will, and I’ve noticed an abundance of data in the Bible pointing to the essential importance of free will in theology. This is something arch-Calvinist John Frame himself more or less admits regarding compatibilist free will in his Systematic Theology.

Ditto, conservative Lutheranism: I like it quite a bit, except for the thing that is maybe the most distinctive thing about it among American Protestants, namely, sacramentalism. (This is the view that baptism and communion are “means of grace,” and required, for most believers, for salvation.) I would like to think that quibbles on this issue do not matter that much, as I said earlier; but I am apprised that Lutherans would disagree that they are quibbles. I know that they distinguish their view from Catholic sacramentalism, rejecting the idea of ex opere operato (grace imparted by the act alone). I do think the ordinances of baptism and communion can be nearly as strong as you like, even if I am breaking one of these, in that case, for now. But I am not convinced that they are required for salvation, according to Scripture. This is highly debatable; there are strong “proof texts” on both sides. (Have fun comparing John 3:5, Mark 16:16, and Acts 2:38 with Luke 23:43, Ephesians 2:8-9, and 1 Corinthians 1:17.) I’m also chary about the “real presence” of the body and blood of Christ in the Lord’s Supper; I am inclined to think of these as deeply important symbols we use to remember his sacrifice for us.

I have some good associations with conservative Baptists. I am only slightly inclined toward believers’ baptism at this point, but the strong presence of “Free Will” Baptists in the overall movement and the stand on the “ordinance” view of baptism and communion seem to be decided points in their favor, for me now. But some Baptists, like it or not, have the reputation of being hostile to deep, probing questioning. Now, I know this does not apply to people at Baptist seminaries, many Baptist pastors, and some congregations. But some of the Baptist people in the pews wouldn’t take kindly to a character like me piping up too much; I’m not sure I’d be a good cultural fit in some Baptist congregations. But I am told the Baptist movement is very broad and deep. One other problem is the historical and, to a certain extent, continuing prevalence of dispensationalism. For now, insofar as I understand it, I take the classic and historical view that the Church will fulfill the promises made to Israel, which will indeed be fulfilled. The Gentiles have been grafted into the single tree, and we Christians are all, whether Gentile or Jew, subjects of the true Israel, which is one and the same as the Kingdom of God. Some Baptists broadly agree with this, yet Baptists still make up the single biggest denominational home of Christian Zionism, which seems opposed to this credo. This could present a challenge, but not at all Baptist congregations, which do vary.

The last really big denominational family is, broadly speaking, Methodist, and started by John Wesley. In the 19th century, the Wesleyan/Holiness movement branched off. Of this family, the largest branches are still called “Methodist.” While most of Methodism is quite liberal today, the broader family has conservative denominations in the form of the Wesleyan Church and the Church of the Nazarene, as well as the newly-launched Global Methodist Church. Methodism is ultimately an offshoot of Anglicanism and prioritizes sanctification much more than other Protestant movements—and in this regard, resembles Orthodoxy. My understanding is that conservatives have been fighting a losing battle against liberalizing tendencies within the branches started by Wesley for over a hundred years (though, in the beginning, it was quite orthodox in its doctrine). This apparently remains an issue even within the conservative branches as well, but again, there are exceptions, of course.

Other movements and smaller denominations have their own issues, in my eyes, at this point. I’ve considered Calvary Chapel, which seems about right on Calvinism vs. Arminianism, and on other issues; but the Baptist sort of tendency toward dispensationalism and some related views might ultimately put me at odds. The Church of Christ has an admirable program of wanting to return to the vision and standards of the very early Christian church. They also have a list of five things needed for salvation, which seems contrary to sola scriptura. I honestly never gave Pentecostal or charismatic denominations much consideration since I am neither a terribly emotional sort of person nor do I find a lot of convincing evidence of continuationism (but again, I am not very sure on this point). The Evangelical Free Church (with Scandinavian roots) seems like a good fit—it is explicitly “big-tent”—except that it has been reportedly moving in a decidedly liberal direction. As an Ohioan, I have a soft spot in my heart for the kindly and morally ambitious Mennonites. But I wonder about their commitment to hard theology; and I’m not about to give up technology; and believe it or not, there is a strong liberal and modernizing tendency in about half of this movement as well (perhaps an overreaction to their historical roots).

Again, this is not meant to be reductive; I remain sensitive to nuance, and torn.

My study program

(Skippable. You have been warned!)

Many people have recommended a wide variety of books, for which I am grateful. I am always looking for things to add to my list, or reasons to revise the priorities in my list. So, in case anyone really wanted to help in that regard, I thought I would share my study program, with the broad topics introduced in bold. Most of the following section is a wonkish sort of annotated bibliography.

Rather than discuss individual recommendations, I will describe my curriculum so far. I actually wrote about the very idea of theological self-study on, as it turns out, the last day of 2020, the year of my conversion. My aim was to study the sorts of things one learns in an M.Div. program, but on my own, at my own pace.

I wish I had more time to study, but there are only so many hours in a day, even if my days are busy. I tend to gravitate toward the classic, fundamental, and most influential—and the conservative or orthodox.

In 2022, I began taking long walks during which I “talked with God.” On the trip to and from these walks, and whenever else I am out driving by myself, I nearly always listen to theology. I use the Apple Siri “read text on page” when there is no audiobook available; it’s imperfect, but it works. It turns out that you can go through a lot of theology this way, if you do it day in, day out, for around five years. And maybe I take extra-long trips through the pretty Ohio countryside.

I almost never use these driving trips to do my daily Bible reading—that’s too important. I’m now wrapping up a fifth Bible reading. Beginning with the second time, I have almost always read the assignment twice per day, which has allowed me to get quite familiar with several different translations, including KJV, NKJV, NASB, and NIV, among others (including much of the “Easy-to-Read Version” when I went through the whole thing with my sons, as I did). I have always consulted secondary sources. The last two years I have gone through about 90% of the notes of the ESV Study Bible (this is hard work). In the past, I have used a variety of other commentaries, either on the Life Bible app or using BibleHub.com (or its identical app); my favorites there include, especially, Gill and Ellicott. Yes, these are all conservative and many older sources—you know, people who actually believe the Bible.

I have also studied some of what is called Bible introduction. Beginning in 2020 and repeated once or twice more after that, I went through basically all of the Bible Project videos. These I can recommend, and although the authors are a little unorthodox in some of their theology, they take efforts to be acceptable to a wide range of theological views. By this April, I will have gone through the entire, deeply inspirational David Pawson lecture series, Unlocking the Bible; I started listening to selected Pawson lectures in 2020, too. In more advanced introduction, I listened to Gundry’s Survey of the New Testament lectures. Then I tried to get into Carson and Moo’s very advanced Introduction to the New Testament, but decided it was above my level (at the time?), and opted for Tenney’s New Testament Survey. I will be finished with Daniel B. Wallace’s free, online, and academic New Testament: Introductions and Outlines this April. When it comes to Old Testament introduction, I have been much less diligent. My main exposure has been from the Bible Project and Pawson and reading brief introductions in Bibles. I started but need to finish Archer’s excellent Survey of Old Testament Introduction. I’ll be filling in this gap in this year, though.

As to commentaries, I have never gone through an entire commentary except on Genesis, on which I read all of Matthew Henry, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, The Bible Knowledge Commentary, and Josephus. I also read Swindoll’s studies of Abraham and Joseph. This was all part of a special study of Genesis. On an adviser’s recommendation, I also dove into related Biblical texts and archaeology, reading the relevant parts of Arnold and Beyer’s Readings from the Ancient Near East, Matthews and Benjamin’s Old Testament Parallels: Laws and Stories from the Ancient Near East, Kennedy’s Unearthing the Bible: 101 Archaeological Discoveries, and Provan et al.‘s Biblical History of Israel.

I wrote a lot of questions and answers about Genesis, and for each chapter consulted the corresponding commentaries, and sometimes others as well. This was my first exposure to really in-depth exegesis. I also gave the same treatment to Matthew 1-3, using the same resources (except Josephus, of course; but now adding ChatGPT’s feedback on my answers, and Ryle’s whole introductory Expository Thoughts on Matthew). All this exegetical work, which is extremely interesting to me, tapered off and ended because my answers were getting too long and I just had less and less time to spend.

In systematic theology, I’ve read all of Frame’s History of Western Philosophy and Theology, which is a bit misnamed as it views philosophy through a theological lens. It was interesting to see how a theologian treats philosophy. Then I went through the same author’s Systematic Theology, complete. It took a long time; it was worth it. It confirmed that I like Reformed theology, generally speaking, except, ironically, for the TULIP part (which is essential to Reformed Calvinism). I also read many chapters of Grudem’s Systematic Theology. I am now about two-thirds of the way through Allison’s excellent Historical Theology. Next time around, I will, of course, turn to another theological tradition.

In specialized theological topics, I read de Young’s Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century; the McNall lecture series, The Mosaic of Atonement; and I would put Packer’s modern classic Knowing God here. Maybe some others. Early on (2021?), I read Montgomery’s The Theologian’s Craft, but doubt I properly appreciated it at the time; it is short so I must re-read it.

As to church history, I went through Shaw’s Christianity: The Biography: 2000 Years of Global History. I’m pretty sure I went through a lecture course at The Great Courses. I also read a fair few classics, including the Apostolic Fathers (twice), Eusebius’ Church History, Augustine’s Confessions, and bits and pieces of other ante-Nicene Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. I am now listening through the City of God.

Another strong interest of mine is apologetics, philosophy of religion, and philosophical theology. I began by listening to Lewis’ classic Mere Christianity again. I say I listened to Lewis “again”: it seems I first bought and listened to it in 2011, but obviously it didn’t take. Then came Strobel’s The Case for Christ twice; it was so good. I read Anthony Flew’s There Is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind. This was interesting but ultimately disappointing, since he died a mere deist. I reminded myself of the content of a philosophy of religion course by listening through the solid Great Courses lectures by James Hall; it was all quite familiar, like riding a bicycle, but still useful. I got some basic introduction to the theology of miracles from books by Lewis and Metaxas, but need to do something more serious reading there. I wanted an intro to the debate over “creationism” and “intelligent design,” so I ended up reading Dembski’s Understanding Intelligent Design and then Behe’s Darwin’s Black Box, as well as half of Dawkins’ The Blind Watchmaker. I was surprised both at how plausible Dembski and Behe were, and at Dawkins’ utter failure to engage with their sorts of arguments. The latter in particular was a little weird to discover. I read Kierkegaard’s Fear and Trembling, because I had never done that before. Later, I—”heroically”, I suppose, that’s what it felt like—attempted to listen to Craig and Moreland’s mammoth and advanced Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology. I got almost halfway through but had to stop and put it off until I had time to slow down and read the words on the page; just listening, I couldn’t keep up with all the symbols and abbreviations. Then I picked up Craig’s Reasonable Faith, which was much more tractable for listening. I also read Davis’ excellent Introduction to Christian Philosophical Theology, a chapter of which inspired this essay.

A basic feature of any M.Div. program is hermeneutics, the theory of biblical interpretation. I found this extremely interesting. I started with Sproul’s Knowing Scripture, which is a good place to start, indeed. I then did Klein et al.‘s lecture series, Introduction to Biblical Interpretation. After that, on advice, I struggled through Carson’s Exegetical Fallacies, and most recently read Chou’s remarkably good Hermeneutics of the Bible Writers. This really opened my eyes to the beauties of intertextuality, something that anybody who has looked at enough Bible cross-references has noticed, but rarely with such consistent and inspiring profundity.

I have read parts of other works, and consulted reference works I won’t mention; I’m mostly just listing the ones I finished. I have also read 5 or 10 Christian novels. I love Pilgrim’s Progress, which I have read three times, and Dostoyevky’s Brothers Karamazov, among others.

As to my book in progress, I will add only that it is a steady discipline of mine now. I have done a little other background reading for the book, but mostly, the writing is informed by the above study and the knowledge I had gleaned before that. It is obvious to me that I need to do more focused background reading and library research before publishing the book. I appreciate all the encouragement I have received about the book, but I will not publish it until it’s in the shape I want it to be in.

As you can see, I’ve been busy reading many things, so I’m always happy to get more book and author recommendations. My self-assigned task thus far has been simply getting up to speed on basic Bible interpretation, theology, and exegetical skills. I won’t be stopping anytime soon.

Has my conversion been merely intellectual?

Another concern, always kindly expressed, is that, after all my cogitation and study, perhaps I still have no faith. Perhaps, some people suggested, I need to spend more time on more purely spiritual matters. I want to reassure these people.

First, I should admit, and I know this is important to many regular church-goers, that I have been missing all the spiritual benefits of attending church. I have mostly avoided not just face-to-face fellowship, but also corporate worship and singing; and I know the sacramentalists (and others, too) would say I am missing something deeply essential by not partaking of the Lord’s Supper. I hope this will change sooner rather than later.

This, however, is not the main thing that respondents were concerned about. They were especially worried that I might not have a keen faith, or even that, perhaps, I did not truly accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. But let me assure you that I truly do. Let me illustrate.

One of my disciplines is to attempt to pray seven times per day. The first, as I get ready for the day, is always the Lord’s Prayer. I often forget to do all seven prayers; maybe someone has an idea of how to maintain this discipline more consistently. But Paul wrote that we should “pray without ceasing,” and this is how I do my best to follow this injunction. I attempt to imagine what the Lord might say to me, in my daily circumstances, and I try to remember what the Bible says on related issues.

I cannot adequately express how useful it is to be increasingly familiar with the Bible for this purpose. The more we read, understand, and apply the Bible, the more vivid our notion of the character of God becomes. Those non-believers who maintain that the God of the Old Testament is some sort of brutal tyrant are merely revealing their own ignorance. If they made a better attempt to read and understand the text as its recipients understood it, they could not maintain their attitude. The better I know God, the better I understand why he is truly called sovereign, merciful, and loving.

The point is that in “my Christian walk,” as the phrase has it, I am intensely aware of God in my life. I regularly thank and praise him; I confess sins and repent of them; and I ask things of him for myself and for others. I also listen—having absorbed what I have of Scripture—for his answers. What it means to be Christian, perhaps most essentially, is to accept in a deep way that he is our Lord and Master. I certainly do accept that. In fact, despite my long history of methodological skepticism, I have not seriously doubted it since my conversion. For me, this is never a matter of mere intellectual assent; it is, rather, firm loyalty to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


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23 responses to “A Response to My New Brothers and Sisters”

  1. Grant Gill

    I really don’t think you can equate Saul going to a witch to summon Samuel and Orthodox asking saints who are are assumed already know what is going on here, implied by Revelation 6:9-10. I think also interesting from this perspective that talking to the dead is challenged when looking at the Mt. of transfiguration. I had hangups like this with Orthodox Christianity as well but the more you dig into these questions biblically and in the church fathers the more you are pleasantly shown wrong in your critiques.

  2. Thanks for taking the time to write this followup, and it’s so encouraging to see your trajectory, both in heart-level belief as well as a head-level interest in a rigorous study of the Scriptures.

    I also appreciate your transparency in the reasons for not finding a church at this point. Profound hearing loss (something that affects my dad’s ability to enjoy the fellowship at our church) and the unfortunate impulse to “celebritize” the conversion of “important” people are understandable reasons – but my advice is still the same as last time… seek to follow Hebrews 3:13 and 10:24-25 as best you can. The same verb is used in both sets of verses – the Greek word “parakaleo” – it means to come alongside and exhort and encourage… which describes the dual purpose of Christian fellowship. Find a group of believers who can come alongside you and your family for both benefits – and it seems like you desire that, so I’m praying that God guides you. SDG!

  3. David Chandler

    Larry, huge thanks for posting your testimony and for this denominational summary, as well. I know it takes enormous time as well as courage to create things like this, and I greatly appreciate both. In reading both articles, I found myself laughing and crying throughout while saying, “Yes! Yes! Yes!” Your poignant yet personal style is delightful, and your statement of orthodox beliefs in fresh language I found particularly compelling. As a fellow techie (ex-Intuit, Google), it is a particular joy for me to welcome another geek to the family.

    As for denominations, I much agree with Pastor Cody above. You have digested in about four years, it would seem, what has taken me more like 40 years of Christian experience to digest. I would caution you that doctrine, while important, is not the only criteria for evaluating a local assembly of believers. 1Tim 1:5 clearly states a purpose for doctrine, and the Lord Jesus himself taught that not by our doctrine, but “by your love shall all men know that ye are my disciples.” John 13:35. Without love, doctrine tends toward indoctrination. The first part of 1Cor 13, which no one reads at weddings, specifically warns against this.

    Your list of books is a treasure trove! I generally trust Reformed authors as they have a high view of God and Scripture. I definitely understand why a philosopher doesn’t like TULIP. I suspect “free will” to Calvin doesn’t mean quite what the philosopher thinks it means, but I won’t attempt to convince you of that because 1) I suspect you have 10x my intellect and have already read 10x more on the subject, 2) Calvinism may not be the best way to explain the Scriptural paradox between God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility, and 3) it’s not an essential of saving faith! Having said that, if you are open to reading further in the pro-Calvin vein from someone who writes on a more philosophical level, I would highly commend The Pleasures of God by John Piper. I think you would enjoy it even if you don’t end up agreeing with him.

    Another resource I would recommend as you think about church is New Testament Church Dynamics from New Testament Reformed Fellowship (ntrf.org). It’s a reasonably well documented historical look at what we know about early church practice. No church or denomination that I know of has all the elements I am looking for in a church (combination of size, shepherds, community, and doctrine–mine is very close to yours, I think, except I don’t mind TULIP). But I’ve always been part of a local church and at long last, have accepted that I won’t find a church 100% aligned with my preferences and I should stop looking for it.

    Again, Larry, thank you for these posts. Let me end by sharing with you a quote from another Larry (Wall, creator of perl) in the T&C for perl 4.036 (IIRC): “Some have asked me why I create nice things like perl. It’s because I believe that pleases the Author of my life. If that disagrees with your notion of Authorship, then your notion of Authorship needs revision, but you can use perl, anyway :-)” That Larry was also one of us. Says so on wikipedia 😉

  4. John Froelich Ph.D mathematics

    Very thoughtful consideration for the needs and sentiments of others in your essay. Toward your beautiful Tractatus Logico-Theologicus……….

    And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3

    Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 1Corinthians 3:18 (I did, crushed by a realization of the enormity of my transgressions)

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14
    FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT!

    APOSTOLIC CHRISTIANITY IS WHAT SAVES. The names of no denominations are found in Holy Scripture. We must be Born Again. This perplexed Nicodemus. Only Scripture can describe the Phenomenon of Pentecost. Book of Acts. Acts 2:38 in particular.

    For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
    1Thessalonians 1:5

    Have you received the Holy Ghost Since you believed? Acts 19 “since” means after
    Acts 2,8,10,19 all “after”

    In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13

    God’s Seal Unto Redemption. The proof that we have entered into the covenant. The proof we are saved and accepted by God. This is the Apostle’s Doctrine of Acts2.

    Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1Timothy 4:16

    Sola Scriptura

    Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. Hebrews 8:5

    Repentance, water baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins (all recorded Biblical Baptisms are in Jesus’ Name, later changed by the state church of the roman empire, that is the catholic church from which denominations popped out) and the Gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1Thessalonians 5:21

  5. Alexandra

    First of all, thank you Larry! Your conversion essay gave me a lot of tools for evangelization. I know God is true, I have the Holy Spirit conviction in my heart, but I lacked the hability to explain some things ( out of ignorance of course) but thanks to you I will be able to deliver true and rational answers to some questions Ive been asked.

    Now, I’ve read your response ( I am a Presbyterian) and to be honest I think we should just be all Biblicists and stop all this denominational nonsense, but we are not and that is just the way it is. We can try to change it , but in the meanwhile we have to congregate, and I like being a Presby a lot because it suits my geeky personality. We are told to study the Bible first and come to church second, but is all about the Bible! I like that. And on the free will thing well, I really want it NOT to be true and Ive followed many antiCalvinists and I get their points but….. I know some humans and well , total depravity makes a lot of sense. Anyway we will never have the whole truth, and that is OK. We should just focus on ” encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.”

    I agree it would make a big buzz in the community if you choose a certain denomination, or if you leave a certain denomination so I 100% support your position on remaining ” impartial”. Not going to church is not a salvation issue AND
    there are many churches that broadcast you
    can always watch from home !
    Again , thank you! And may God bless you ! Keep doing what you do Larry

  6. Pat

    Welcome! Man, a lot of what you write in the Denominations section really resonates. It’s almost like if we could take the best of each and eliminate the bad parts of each (like ethnicity from Orthodoxy, TULIP from Calvinism, praying to saints & veneration of Mary from Catholicism, Trumpism from Calvary Chapel, etc. ) we’d have a good fit. I don’t have an answer here. We’ve kind of settled on finding the closest church (walkable, even) that we can mostly fit into. It’s kind of an Evangelicals (Baptist flavored) trying to be a bit Anglican kind of church, which seems pretty reasonable to us right now. I caught the pastor reading the desert fathers which seems like a good sign. Anyway, blessings, hope you can find some kind of mashup like this.

  7. The question “what must I do to be saved” is asked and answered in the gospels. The answers are varied, but I’m down with the minimalist answer: believe.

    “What must I do to have assurance” is asked and answered in Hebrews and 1 John in the same way, and the answer is belief and obedience.

    You are saved now, if you continue in obedience. (Heb 3 twice)

    An advocate standing between me and God you say? How do I know if I know him? “if we keep his commands”. 1 John

    Once you decide Jesus commands baptism and a relationship to elder(s) then you need to obey him.

  8. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. It is a privilege to walk along side you as a fellow pilgrim. Your reflection about finding a church reminded me of conversations I occasionally had with Christian first-year students who showed up in Halifax (NS) and were looking for a ‘good church’. As a staff worker with Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship, they would seek my advice. I was happy to share with them about churches I knew which welcomed and cared for students, as well as helping the students consider what were important considerations in choosing a church (e.g., biblically rooted, theologically orthodox, etc.).

    But then I would caution them, saying that if they happened to find a perfect church they should by all means avoid it. When they asked why, my answer was that they would ruin it.

    As you well appreciate, there are no perfect churches–whether in terms of beliefs and theology or in terms of practice. As Paul notes in 1 Cor 13, we only know in part now. We see, as per KJV, “through a glass darkly.” What is critically important, from my experience, is to be part of a community of believers, which you are with your Bible study group. Is there anything to prevent your group from celebrating the Lord’s Supper from time to time?

    I used to be very concerned with being ‘right’ in all of my doctrinal and theological views. (Not to mention all my political and just about every other view. Among other things, it fueled my own academic adventures in Philosophy.) I still take very seriously the challenge of seeking Truth. But my core certainties are matters of faith, generally expressed as what I have tended to describe as ‘historical Christian orthodoxy’–the Apostle’s and Nicean creeds, confidence in the trustworthiness of the Bible. But in the end, my relationship with God is precisely that, a relationship made possible by Jesus the Messiah and Lord. It’s foundation is his love, grace and mercy extended towards me in spite of my sin and in spite of the limitations of my understanding or theological correctness. I rest in his grace and mercy.

    I am reminded of what I heard was attributed to N.T. Wright, who when asked how confident he was of his theological convictions replied that he felt he was at least 80% correct. But he was uncertain of which parts made up the 80%.

    Which reminds me, I did not see any references to N.T. Wright in your lists of texts. Among some that I would recommend are: Paul, A Biography; The New Testament for Everyone; and his three volume set: Christian Origins and the Question of God.

    Finally, thank you again for sharing your journey. You have been a great encouragement to me and to others with whom I have shared some of your posts. You are also in my prayers.

  9. Cody Shores

    First, I want to welcome you into the family of God—so welcome home! Secondly, I want to say that this has been a great and encouraging read. I am a pastor at a Baptist-affiliated church in Missouri, and I’d like to highlight a few things that brought me joy as I read both this article and your previous one.

    First, I appreciate your boldness in proclaiming your allegiance to Christ; it’s a powerful reminder for all who claim Him as Savior. Second, I admire the humility and thoughtfulness you bring to discussing the nuances of different faith traditions. Third, I’m grateful that you shared some of the authors you’ve read—many of them have been a blessing to me over the years, and several you mentioned are now on my reading list.

    Lastly, I want to offer a thought that I hope will serve as an encouragement. As you search for a church that aligns with your theological convictions, I’ve found it helpful to remember that it’s nearly impossible to find a faith family that perfectly matches every nuance of my own persuasions. Over the years, this realization has actually been a source of unity rather than division. Recognizing that theology is complex and being willing to worship alongside those with differing views—on topics like determinism and free will, eschatology, or covenantalism vs. dispensationalism—has been invaluable. Some of my closest friends and fellow pastors hold a variety of perspectives on these issues, and I’ve found that such diversity fosters healthy discussions, deepens our understanding, and sharpens our thinking.

    That’s not to say that theological convictions should be flexible or lacking in doctrinal firmness, but rather that we are all on a lifelong journey of growth. And in that journey, there is no substitute for being part of a faith family—one that we can walk with, learn from, and engage with regularly in life.

    Blessings to you as you continue in your pursuit of Christ and His church! Have a great day brother!

  10. Lyman Stone

    Hi Larry! I was one of the Lutherans who responded last time. Back when I lived in DC, occasionally churches would be visited by political dignitaries. It was always disruptive. To that end, your concern about celebrity’s effects on a church are not unreasonable even if I pray you are able to find a suitable home.

    We don’t know each other at all, but I’ll just say on the theological front with Lutheranism: yeah, the sacraments are a big deal to us! But, speaking as a convert from a conservative Wesleyan/Methodist background, I think the idea that Lutherans say sacraments are “required” is a small misunderstanding, though one you probably came by honestly from enthusiastic Lutherans! In the 5 solas, no sacraments are mentioned. Setting up the sacraments as “requirements” (or, as the Reformed do, “ordinances” or commands) is, to our view, a mistake. Man is not saved in baptism because baptism is required for salvation; man is surely saved in baptism because baptism is one of those particular, local cases God has instantiated of his more general work of grace. In the same way that a man who dies in a war dies of a specific bullet, a man saved by grace is saved specifically by that grace which was delivered to him by encountering the incarnation of grace in a specific form: perhaps the specific instantiation of grace in the Word preached in a sermon, or the Word written on a page, or the Word imbued in the water of baptism, or the Word in the bread and wine of communion. When we emphasize the sacraments, we do not do so in order to say, “This is you MUST be saved, do thus,” we do so in order to say, “This is how God proclaims you MAY be saved, receive thus.” Gift, not requirement. To that end, we would absolutely not argue that God cannot save man by some unrevealed means. We would just say: the means he has deigned to show us are specific.

    As far as the real presence, remember we don’t assert it only about communion! Christ is really present in Scripture! He is really present in faithful preaching! He is really present in the water of baptism! He is really present in communion! Our teaching on communion is not an idiosyncratic moment of real presence, but a specific manifestation of the general sense that Christ’s ordinary, usual, revealed work effecting the salvation of the world is through his body, the church, and especially through those sacraments which he himself established for the church to share with the world.

    In other words, if the hangup is “baptism being required for salvation,” one needn’t worry too much about that. On the real presence, there may be a real ontological debate here about what’s going on in communion (and in our spiritual lives writ large!), but I would encourage you to look more broadly at the sacramental argument. 🙂

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